tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post6429320933869142326..comments2022-09-18T11:14:36.876-04:00Comments on Neurochannels: Consciousness (3): Mr B's first look at consciousnessEric Thomsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06847717704454032165noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-31573628559595434182010-03-08T09:08:53.819-05:002010-03-08T09:08:53.819-05:00onemorebrown: I will likely talk about that once M...onemorebrown: I will likely talk about that once Mr B has finished looking around. The question he will ask is what these new properties adds to his story, what facts it will help him understand that he couldn't understand using the biology (and this will lead back to discussions of 'qualia' and whether his approach will be able to capture them).Eric Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06847717704454032165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-86169506063229042412010-03-08T07:19:19.328-05:002010-03-08T07:19:19.328-05:00Hi Eric, I am enjoying this series of posts....wha...Hi Eric, I am enjoying this series of posts....what do you say to the property dualist? They can agree with everything you say about dreams, amputees, hallucinations, etc but deny that the brain is sufficient for consciousness...is this something that you'll address later?onemorebrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16360914362818045872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-52808918489158036542008-12-25T04:07:00.000-05:002008-12-25T04:07:00.000-05:00Anon: I said Mr B thinks that "neural processes of...Anon: I said Mr B thinks that "neural processes of a certain sort (to be determined)" are sufficient for consciousness. That likely means processes going on in living brains.<BR/><BR/>I'm surprised nobody brought up that brains might not be necessary because computers or other manufactured artifacts can be conscious. Or aliens without brains. In contrast to anon's point, these are good points MrEric Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06847717704454032165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-67938808257638303572008-12-24T14:04:00.000-05:002008-12-24T14:04:00.000-05:00You say a brain is sufficient for conscious experi...You say a brain is sufficient for conscious experience. This is incorrect. There are cow brains at the butcher store right now that are not having conscious experience. There are numerous people (alive) with brains not having conscious experience.<BR/>The brain being a neccesary cause is debatable, but it is not sufficient cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-39404943138080246472008-12-19T08:45:00.000-05:002008-12-19T08:45:00.000-05:00Anon: we should look at such things later, and alr...Anon: we should look at such things later, and already did a little bit in comments to the first post.Eric Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06847717704454032165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-66583038014497133122008-12-19T05:15:00.000-05:002008-12-19T05:15:00.000-05:00Eric- sorry, but your question has given me an ins...Eric- sorry, but your question has given me an insight into the problem.<BR/>What would you consider as evidence of consciousness? <BR/>Could a plant be conscious?<BR/>Could a bacterium?<BR/>Could an objective test for conscious ever exist?<BR/>Again, sorry- these questions are probably miles off the wall. But that's what happens when you spend your time in left field.<BR/>I want to read more Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-70446692426852315372008-12-18T09:45:00.000-05:002008-12-18T09:45:00.000-05:00Anon: I gave the general type of evidence upon whi...Anon: I gave the general type of evidence upon which each claim is based in the two sections.<BR/><BR/>If there is evidence to the contrary you should tell us about it.Eric Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06847717704454032165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13710336.post-43312901708904523672008-12-18T03:48:00.000-05:002008-12-18T03:48:00.000-05:00A question-you state:"The brain is necessary for c...A question-<BR/>you state:<BR/>"The brain is necessary for conscious experience"<BR/>and<BR/>"Conscious experience is constructed by the brain"<BR/>Are you stating those as assumptions or observations? (Certainly there are observations that would support those statements, but there are also observations that would bring them to question)<BR/>I like Mr. B more and more. His glasses are getting Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com